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A Bottom Job for Sloop John B 
BACKGROUND
Sept 2008 --
We purchased "John B." a 1980 CAL 25 Mk2. It sails sweetly, but it is obvious that it needs a bottom job. I got in the water and inspected the bottom with a mask & snorkel as well as I could.It looks like short pile/tight weave dark green carpet. I knocked off quite a bit at the waterline, but the farther under I went, the harder it was to remove - until it was impossible with a stiff bristle brush. The previous owner stated the last time it was done was at least 8 years ago. The paint used was Pettit Trinidad.

Sloop John B

I have restored/painted 2 cars (I still love a fine automobile) and have acquired some auto body skills. I took a few night classes that turned into about 3 years class time at Drake Technical School - once a week for about 3 hrs. a night. I thought I would take on the bottom job as I was aware of the mess and the amount of work as well as the environmental, health and safety issues associated with resurfacing a boat - it would be similar to auto body. I stand by that. But try & find a place that will allow you to do it yourself! I  couldn't do it in the Wheeler/Wilson lake area. Anyone know of a place? Let me know for next time! I'd like to try/learn how to do a bottom job.

And so it begins...
Jan 26 2008 --- I have asked around at WYC as to where to get a bottom job done. It seems there are about 3-4 choices of where to go. Mississippi is one choice. It's about 10 hours away by water. I don't have a trailer. This seems a bit extreme. Next would be Decatur or Guntersville. Both options seem reasonable and one quote I received was quite a bit cheaper than the others, but these are also a days trip away and in the opposite direction from the areas I frequent. I have been told that J's Landing in Stenson Hollow of Wilson Lake had done Artemis' (an X-99) and Spindrift's (a Capri 30) bottoms and they are competitive racers. I asked their owners about their experience with J's and both gave positive reports. J's Landing is only one lock away and considerably less distance than the other options. I called for a quote - $38.00 per foot. (My boat is a CAL 25 Mk2) This includes hauling, pressure wash, sanding and repaint with ablative Interlux paint. Blister repair would increase the price. I agreed and had my name put on the list. Jeff told me it would be mid-April before they could get to it. I said OK, but give me a call if he could move me up in the schedule.

Feb 5 2008 --- I got a call from J's Landing; I have been moved up in the schedule (yes!) to 23 Feb. They say it will take about a week to do the job. All this sounds great. Henry Garrett (sailing mentor and WYC member) has graciously offered to help me deliver John B to J's on the 23rd. I am looking forward to having the carpet removed from the bottom of my boat and a new (faster) bottom surface applied.

Feb 21 2008 --- Jeff from J's Landing called and confirmed my delivery of John B. I told him that we'd leave Wheeler Marina about 9:00 or 10:00 a.m. and that I estimated about 3-4 hrs time travel to Stenson Hollow. Jeff told me a fellow named Mike would take delivery of the boat. I asked if they planned on hauling the boat while we were there and he said that he would put that request on the work order and it shouldn't be a problem. I look forward to seeing and photographing the John B's hidden bottom side. I would assume that they would want to get on with pressure washing to remove the carpet of bio-growth before it hardens and becomes (I would think) a very hard substance that would be very hard to remove. It would be interesting to see the "carpet removal" process. As I commented in the beginning of this web log, I think I could learn how to do this entire bottom job project.

Our wives will do land duty in the chase truck (haha) and witness the hauling (we hope). It will be an all day adventure for sure. This will be my first time piloting through the locks, but I feel a lot more confident knowing Henry will be there to guide me through.

Feb 21 2008 --- My new issue of "Good Old Boat" magazine (great mag!) just arrived and there is a good article named "Choosing the Right Antifoulant". I read the article with great interest. It confirmed that we're on the right track with Interlux ablative paint. This should render a smooth bottom that will slough off as the boat moves through the water, shedding green growth and muck as well as exposing biocide that makes it difficult for growth to re-form. It mentions that Pettit Trinidad (what John B presently has) is a Hard Epoxy Ester that should be sanded before applying a "polishing" or "soft" ablative paint like Interlux Fiberglass Bottomkote. I can believe that.

Feb 23 2008 --- Henry and I pushed off from Wheeler Marina at 0930 and headed towards J's Landing. I figured it would take about 5 hours to get through the lock and motor across Wilson lake, almost to Wilson Dam. This was a good estimate as it took between 4 and 5 hours. It was about 40 degrees and overcast - it did not warm up during our trip. Both of us had to add layers of clothing and we still got pretty cold. Locking through Wheeler dam was pretty easy, although the lock master took his sweet time getting us through. It took over an hour. We arrived at J's at about 2:00 and I started looking for Mike. Ran into Russ Hudson and he told us Mike had gone to get some lunch. We checked out a very large steel hulled Chris Craft that Russ is working on as well as his new mobile (trailer) workshop. Mike arrived and was munching on his fried chicken when I told him we had arrived. Things swung into action as Mike called James to come help him run the travel lift.

James is the guy in charge of the workers at J's Landing (don't know James' title) and he showed up in about 40 minutes. James told me to undo my backstay and back the boat into a concrete and steel (deep) area so the travel lift would be able to pick it up. James began rigging the slings of the travel lift as Henry and I used the jib and main halyards to take the place of the backstay (the backstay would have come into contact with the travel lift). I backed John B into the slot and James got the travel lift into position. I came ashore. James and Mike had obviously done this many, many times and I felt comfortable with their handling of the lift and my boat. As the boat was slowly lifted out of the water, it became apparent that the bottom was covered with growth. The old bottom paint showed through in about half of the wetted area. It was my first time seeing the bottom side of my Cal 2-25 and I was pleased with it's shape. Nice deep fin keel and an efficient, full shape to the hull. It has a "built up" area from the trailing edge of the keel, aft to the spade rudder from about 4 to 2 inches deep. I could see why this is such a sweet sailing boat. Henry commented that he liked her lines. The travel lift and JohnB were driven over to a work area as Mike readied the pressure washer. Excitement over seeing the sweet lines of John B turned into anxiety as the muck was removed with the pressure washer. Blisters were revealed from the waterline down onto the keel. No pattern was apparent, but there were (by James' estimate) about 200 dime to quarter sized blisters
in the gelcoat. Bummer.

I should note here that I did not have the boat hauled for inspection or a survey done on John B before I purchased her. This is not the correct way of buying a sailboat, but we're talking about a 25 footer that's 28 years old - a survey with hauling and pressure washing charges was equivalent to 1/5 or 1/6 the cost of the boat. I didn't feel it was justified, but as it turns out, the blisters would have been a good bargaining chip during purchase. Oh well. Rest assured, if I were buying a boat for $10,000+, I would have it hauled and a survey done.

My lovely wife Neysa drove us home after a stop in Florence at Rosie's for dinner. I had already been reading about bottom jobs and blisters, but now my research intensified. I found two Cal 2-25's online that had very similar blister issues (a buncha small ones). Both were repaired by their owners (something I cannot do as discussed earlier). One fellow actually removed ALL of the gelcoat and cut into the fiberglass layup and then recoated (6 coats) with epoxy. The other guy did the
traditional "grinding out and filling" method. Both worked and they reported no more blisters (2 years later) but the cost and incredible amount of DIY work seemed like overkill.

Feb 25 2008 --- Jeff called me and asked how I'd like to proceed with the John B. I asked him to give me a quote for repairing all the blisters. He came back with a quote of $1,950 for grinding out all of the blisters, filling them with epoxy, adding a barrier coat (or maybe 2) and then 2 coats of ablative bottom paint, which according to my research is certainly in line with the job at hand. A fair market price. I had done my research, looked at my bank account and consulted with my
wife and sailing buddies. I came to the conclusion that I would have Jeff and the guys a J's Landing stick to the original plan and NOT fix the blister issue. Although it goes against my motto -- "a job worth doing is worth doing right" -- I decided that I had moved up to the John B to get experience sailing, do some racing and have a good time. Big money spent on fixing blisters was not in the plan. I know what the bottom of the John B looks like. It has blisters that might slow her down a bit. I could gain that time back by losing 20 pounds from my pudgy body. They might grow or multiply over the next 10 years (or not). If they were repaired, who's to say others might appear? We'll never know. I plan on enjoying this boat for years to come. After all, as one old salt told me "I've never heard of a boat sinking because of blisters".

Feb 27 2008 --- I called Jeff to see how things were going. He said they had popped a few blisters that "were easy ones" and said that they would probably be ready for me to pick the boat up on the coming weekend. This would make for a one week turnaround.

Mar 1 2008 --- I got the call from Jeff saying the John B was complete and ready to pick up on Friday. Neysa and I had been expecting to pick up the boat. Neysa'a Mom gave us a ride to J's landing. We arrived to find the boat slung over the water, ready to splash. I took several pictures. The blisters were still visible, but the bottom now had a very nice surface. Hopefully we wouldn't be doing this again for a good while -- like a few years. Jeff's son and I exchanged money and paperwork. He then lowered the John B into the water. Neysa and I loaded the dog and our gear in and we prepared for the return trip to Wheeler Marina. The 9.9 Merc fired right up (as always) and we started putting home. he trip back was much more comfortable. The temps were very nice and the sun was out. The ride back took 4 hours and getting through the dock was a breeze. We burned about 3 gallons of fuel on the trip to and from J's.





Henry and I setting off for J's Landing.
Backing in. Travel lift will haul the John B.
We see the bottom for the first time
Muck covered bottom.
Pressure washing
Condition of bottom after pressure washing.
Another picture of the blisters.
Bottom after new paint.
another picture after paint
John B ready for the water.

Coming Soon ...
The Sloop JohnB skipper upgrades the head on his CAL25-II.


Head Redeux for Cal 2-25 John B


Jan 12 2008 --- We have owned our Cal 2-25 "John B." since September 07. It is a 1980 model in very good condition. When we purchased the boat, we were aware that the previous owner had day sailed the boat and had not used the head much if at all. When I tested the head (use the pump to move water through the system) I found that the plunger was hard/sticky and that water leaked from the area that contained the pump and directed the water into the bowl. The hoses of the system were probably original and are the "corrugated" type that may hold waste water and would probably let smells permeate into the cabin. We knew that having an operable head would make our outings a lot more comfortable. I figured that getting it operational would be a good project to do myself.

Feb 2 2008 --- I have discovered that our head is a Groco Model HE. The system has a holding bladder as well as the option to dump waste overboard using a thru hull and hand pump. (dumping into our river system is not legal, but I would like to keep this option as a safety backup and the possibility that we may use the boat in waters that allow for dumping. It also keeps the boat as-built) West Marine has an HE to HF upgrade kit that contains all the parts to rebuild the head for around $135. I figure I will upgrade as I rebuild. I think I'll use the medium grade 1.5 inch hose that runs about $3.39 /ft. I'll need at least 15 feet of this hose. I will use the existing "radiator clamps" for attaching the hose at all of the junctions. The holding bladder is black and has "Made in France" stenciled on it. I don't know any more details about this bladder, but for now, I plan on keeping/using it. I took lots of pictures to document this upgrade as well as for reference in case I get stuck or confused. The valve for the "waste overboard" thru-hull has a missing handle and may be broken. This may need to be fixed, or it could be that the handle is missing. I will need to inspect it more closely.

Feb 11 2008 --- I plan on placing an initial order for the parts I will need for the head rebuild project in the near future. My date for a bottom job has been moved up. Originally I was scheduled for April. I will be delivering the boat to Jeff at J&J Marine on Wilson Lake in Stenson Hollow on Feb 23 2008. This may affect ordering parts for the head. I will have to check funds vs. budget for the two projects and plan out when I should place the order and do the work.


January 2010 -- The head Redeaux is complete! (and has been for some time)... In the end, everything was replaced except for the bowl and the bladder that retains the waste. All of the tubing and internal parts to the head needed replacement. I tried to do it "on the cheap", but the results called for more work and money. Everything came together well in the end. Where the tubing attaches to the bladder, I did have some problems. I bought the higher end tubing, but it split when I tried to put it on the fittings. re-did this a couple of times to no avail. eventually, I just used more clamps and tried to close up the split. It's working for now. Don't know if this was a metric vs. standard issue or what. It could have been as the bladder is stamped with "Made In France"...


February 2011 -- I added a new Stereo! My lovely wife gave me a marine stereo head unit for Christmas. It is a "Boss" brand 85 watt stereo from Defender. It's white & looks nice. I did a good job installing it. I cut a hole in the most logical place and mounted it there. Pretty straight forward install as I have installed stereos in several old cars I've owned. The wiring was simple and the instructions were pretty standard I suppose. I ran the speaker wire in hidden areas under both setees, port & starboard. The mounting of a couple of used Bose speakers was a bit more dfficult, but It worked out and they look great. Performance is good. The head unit has AM/FM, CD (it'll play home made CD's), it will handle a USB thumb drive full of music and it also has an iPod port, although you can't control the iPod with the head unit. The head unit has light touch controls. all-in-all, it's real nice. sounds good. Now I hafta watch that I don't run down my (single) battery! -- It gets charged when I run my engine, but that's it!


 

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